Malaysia Boleh Spirits

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  1. taneepak

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    In Bahasa, Vishnu is translated into Wisnu.

    Strange thing, when I tried to search 'Maulana Wisnu' in yahoo/google, not even single result was shown. :confused:

    Anyway, an act which prohibits adopting names of another religion's origin is just ridiculous.

    Indonesian parliament already passed this retarded "Anti Pornography" act.
    No need for another one of this kind. ;)
     
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    Indonesian names represent a treasure trove of its past culture, history, and today's shared past. This is good and is to be lauded.
    This reminds me of two contrasting muslim countries in the way they treated their past culture, history, civilization-Egypt versus Afghanistan. Egypt still treasures it glorious past-pyramids, sphinx, the valley of kings, etc. Afghanistan has destroyed all its past.
     
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    well, now to the YOGA matter..:rolleyes:
    whats up next?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  5. Dato A

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    PAS has recommend to ban selling wine in selangor state.....
     
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    Pemuda...welcome back, as articulate as ever...what you said to azabaz_ipoh "No one is saying that Malaysia is bad country Dont be confused. What we are saying is that this country can do so much better.

    We are in distress today because we have draconian laws like the ISA. To deny any human being their fundamental rights to defend himself/herself in the court of law is wrong, period.


    We are in distress because talented Malaysian are leaving for Singapore, Australia, Canada, USA, UK, New Zealand etc.

    We are in distress because till today we still see others as 2nd class citizens. And we allow certain politicians to play the race card and divide us all.

    We are in distress because corruption is at an alarming level and our judicial system have been manipulated" pretty well sum it all and hit the target.

    And azabaz_ipoh really hopelessly does not get it. Pity!!!
     
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    Ok now, here is my 2 sen.

    Personally, I have no problems with the Islamic Council coming out with the fatwah or numerous fatwahs. BUT I am just puzzled and confused why issue a fatwah against yoga but not against corruption???:confused: I mean, logically between corruption and yoga, I would say corruption is a much more serious issue, infact I would say corruption is a serious disease. If we look at history, the Islamic Empire was once a great and flourishing empire. However in time, these great Islamic empires became so corrupt that they eventually disappeared from the face of this earth.

    We need to get our priorities right in Malaysia. I really dont see how yoga or lipstick or even high heels can weaken the muslim community. But corruption can destroy the ummah and most Islamic communities have collapsed because of corruption.

    Sure, come out with fatwahs if need be. But let these fatwahs be about what really ails us and not about some minor issue that was not really a danger to the ummah in the first place.

    Ohhh my Malaysia, you can really indeed boleh!
     
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    The Malaysian Prime Minister is reported to have qualified the ban on yoga.
    This is getting dense :rolleyes:
     
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    Ohhh azabaz, allow me to point out history and facts to you.

    First of all, have you read our Constitution?? Seriously, have you?? Let me point out to you that, yes, Article 153 accords Malays certain rights and privileges. But that same Article, and Article 8, also guarantees the Chinese, Indians and others their rights and privileges as well. And it certainly didnt say that the Chinese, Indians and others are 2nd class citizens nor did our Constitution mention anything about Ketuanan Melayu.

    Your "malays have been here long before" is pretty weak. Our forefathers all migrated to this great country just like the Chinese, Indians and others. Dont believe me?? Ok, try to list down your own family tree and I bet you cant even go back 3 generations. Do a little research and you will see that we, Malays originated from Southern China, Phillipines, Sulawesi, Jawa, Sumatera, Vietnam, Cambodia, Southern Thailand, India and Arabian Peninsula. I am sure you have heard of Hang Tuah, the traditional Malay warrior and his band of brothers, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu and Hang Lekir, right???? These guys shared the same family last name as the other super famous "Hang" family member... Hang Li Poh. And who was she? Legend tells us that she is the Princess of a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won't that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline "Baba"? Since the older son of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan?

    You said in America the people are together/united and all. Now, let me again ask you how can we be united when we treat others as 2nd class citizens??

    You mentioned we, Malays value the azan and our religious beliefs. Now let me ask you if this is true why are we treating others as 2nd class citizens. What is this bumiputera and non-bumiputera status?? Ketuanan Melayu??? Allow me to quote our Holy Prophet; “All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. “ Now, is this bumi/non-bumi halal??? If we value our religious beliefs, why is corruption on the rise? Is the ISA halal in Islam?

    Ketuanan Melayu is wrong. It is racism pure and simple just like Apartheid. And there is no way you can water down Apartheid by calling it Ketuanan Melayu.

    I am a Malay and I am proud of my race. And unlike you, I dont subsribe to 'my great grandfather was here first' kinda theory. I am sorry such thinking is stone age. Malays have to be made to believe that the Ketuanan Melayu and the NEP is an insult and that it suggests Malays are weak. I would like to believe that I am what I am because of who I am and not because of Ketuanan Melayu and the NEP. I take pride in that. I would hate people saying, for example "of course he gets to go to university" because of Ketuanan Melayu and NEP. I dont need crutches. Only losers need crutches.

    And lastly just because there is still some form of racism etc in America, it is still not right to do so here. Racism is wrong. And racism is also against Islamic teachings.
     
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    Pemuda really learn his Islam teachings very well....!!
    if i have the chance, will consult from you.
    off and on, i do ask some questions to my Muslim friend. he explain quite well to me. but, sometimes, he will not answer me. he said, if dont know or not sure, it will be bad for him, just in case, he mis-inform me....;)
     
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    that would be self incriminating.
     
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    Education System

    First of all a quick question to all my fellow Malaysians. What do you guys think of the education system in Malaysia today as compared to say 30 years ago???

    It should be better, right???? I mean nowadays we read of students in the UPSR for Year Six getting 7As while at the PMR level for Form Three students, they can get up to 9As. In the SPM, there are even those with 16As or more! Imagine 16As!!!

    But I got a nagging feeling that the standards have dropped. Parents and students get a sense of unrealistic expectations when they get these result slips with straight distinctions.

    Why???

    Many of them have fared badly at college entrance examinations for UK and US colleges.

    At job interviews, employers are shocked to find that these A scorers can’t even string a sentence in English correctly and many cannot communicate in the language well.

    There are now over 60,000 unemployed graduates simply because they are not marketable or they are ill prepared for the job market because of poor linguistic and social skills.

    In short, it is easy to score distinctions because the bell curve is adjusted to reduce the number of failures. And this is a reality that we, Malaysians dont want to face because we are too preoccupied with everything that is Malaysia Boleh.

    Dont believe me??? Ok, with the high number of straight 'As students' we have these days, how come we dont see such students in Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Princeton???? I mean such elite universities ought to be flooded with Malaysian 'top students' judging from the 10As, 12As, 9As students we been churning out yearly.

    In the old days, before we screw up our education system, being a top public scorer meant getting 5As in the Lower Certificate of Examination (LCE) in Form Three and failing was not an option – it means dropping out of school at 15 years old or entering a private school to re-sit the examination.
    The LCE also required a candidate to pass Bahasa Malaysia and English as they were compulsory subjects. A distinction then really meant a distinction.

    Then, there was the Malaysian Certificate of Examination (MCE) where a top student was equivalent to someone who scored 9As or 10As. These were the students who eventually got scholarships to study in Harvard, Cam­bridge or Oxford, and their achievements would be published in the newspapers. Before this, there were the Queen’s Scholars who were sent by the British to be educated in the United Kingdom. We could recognise the best of the best. It was much simpler then trying to gauge the scholastic achievements of our students.

    The bottom line is this – we have compromised the quality of our education. We have refused to admit it, preferring to live with the delusion that all is well, typical Malaysia Boleh kind of mentality. We have so many students with so many As who think they deserve to be in medical schools now and get JPA scholarships.

    And the sad part is we will continue with our euphoria of top scorers, three times a year, and newspapers carry the same stories of such top scorers.

    Malaysia Boleh to you folks!
     
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    from: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/12/1/nation/2686381&sec=nation

    Monday December 1, 2008

    Police to determine if Mumbai terrorists used Malaysian passports

    By LOURDES CHARLES


    PETALING JAYA: The police are ascertaining if Malaysian travel documents were used to facilitate the movements of the terrorists in the Mumbai massacre.
    Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar, who stressed that there was no link to Malaysia in the attack, said Malaysian travel documents were much sought after in the international arena because they were well-received.
    This was mainly because Malaysia was a peaceful and safe country, he said, adding that its people’s passports were therefore valuable.
    “That’s why we believe that syndicates like to forge Malaysian travel documents,” he said in a telephone interview last night.
    He said Malaysian authorities would assist their Indian counterparts to investigate the identities of the gunmen who killed 180 people and allegedly had Malaysian addresses.
    However, Malaysian Consul-General to India Wan Zaidi Wan Abdullah has dismissed the alleged Malay*sian involvement in the terrorist attacks, clarifying that it was actually a fake Mauritius identity card.
    Syed Hamid said the police were waiting for a detailed report from India as there were conflicting reports.
    “Right now, there is nothing to link Malaysia with the attacks. People should stop speculating and let the Indian authorities complete their investigations,” he said.
    Malaysia would give its full cooperation if requested, he said.
    Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said he had asked his officers to liaise with their foreign counterparts to enable police here verify the authenticity of Malaysian credit cards found at the scene.
    “The cards could belong to tourists as many Malaysians go there often,” he pointed out.
    In Mumbai, Wan Zaidi dismissed the alleged Malaysian involvement in the terrorist attacks as a possible mistaken identity.
    He said the Times of India newspaper could have misreported that some of the terrorists had Malaysian identity cards, adding that only a fake Mauritius identity card was found.
    The Times of India had earlier reported that nine of the gunmen had claimed to be Malaysian students when they visited Mumbai months ago for reconnaissance work.
    “So far, we have not received any report that Malaysian documents were found and no one has asked us for our assistance,” Wan Zaidi said, adding that a full report on the matter has been sent to Wisma Putra.
    Asked if any Malaysian could have been among those injured and had been admitted to hospitals, Wan Zaidi said all 150 Malaysians had been accounted for.


    with "boleh" spirit, we create a good country. many like to use MAS as a passport to travel around.

    some one did ask me some questions regarding the Mumbai thing. the yoga thing. this morning, as my usual newspaper time...... something funny came up :D:p:D:p
     
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    haha...actually...u really should go become mas pm...:D...seriously...then...malaysia will be better...:D
     
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    I guess as long as you are happy with yourself and family should be good. No need to get stressed about the environment. Nothing is impossible. (Boleh)! Enjoy life! ;) Ignore the clowns. ;)
     
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    how can i ignore the clown?
    they are entertainer. without them, i have no laughs...:(
     
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    the most important thing is remember to enjoy our life nicely..
    life is short;)
     
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    If we allow good governance to be thrown out of the window, abuses of human riights, sloppy education system, unchecked crime rates, discrimination, corruption and poor economic fundamentals it wont be long before this country hit rock bottom like Zimbabwe for example.

    And yes, you may be living in a comfortable life now and may think that you are unaffected and all. To ignore the present issues is like taking a broom and sweeping things under the carpet and hope and pray that it wont come back to haunt us. I truly subscribe to the old folk saying that if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump out quickly. BUT if you put a frog in a pot of cold water and then boil it slowly, the gradual heat will make the frog doze off and will eventually be cook to death, without ever waking up.

    At the end of the day, I believe we need to ask ourselves what kind of country we want to leave for our future generations.
     
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    yes...totally agree...great post...applauese...we need to CHANGE
     
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    this is what i call boomerang effect.
    problem? ignore it, throw aside, leave it unattended. assuming it will go away without any action? assumption is the mother of all troubles. i do believe many did hear this before.
    one day, ten days or weeks or months to come....... the problem is still here.
    whatever you throw out...... it will comes back ;)
     
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